tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post9104409075824379203..comments2024-02-03T16:53:16.196-08:00Comments on Honest Talk with God: SatanRob_Tennanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-15038335408161170522024-02-03T16:53:16.196-08:002024-02-03T16:53:16.196-08:00You are a man of my own Christian heart. I make my...You are a man of my own Christian heart. I make my Christ on paper blowing Satan's own huge cockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-85963444360280352582024-02-03T16:50:58.103-08:002024-02-03T16:50:58.103-08:00I am a Christian faggot and I love the way I am pu...I am a Christian faggot and I love the way I am pushed around by my REAL master Satan. I am Casey Ferrill Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-27351223549122314682023-10-28T19:18:16.559-07:002023-10-28T19:18:16.559-07:00Well that is the only thing that God the filthy sc...Well that is the only thing that God the filthy scumbag can do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-74694488307594654852023-07-25T16:32:16.913-07:002023-07-25T16:32:16.913-07:00God sucked on Satan's cock and swallowed his c...God sucked on Satan's cock and swallowed his cum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-73058906816811895802016-04-20T20:13:41.074-07:002016-04-20T20:13:41.074-07:001. just like a positive charge attracts the negati...1. just like a positive charge attracts the negative charge, same is in this universe, the more gulliable you are the more you are likely to find a cheater. they are like negative charges, they will come in your life, they will fool you. and all you can do is to cry.. cry on your fate. but you know what? fate is written by the so called all powerful god. and it is fixed.. he is not and never going to change it..<br /><br /> lets ask a simple question to the god...<br /> 1. oh god why, why the hell you made a universe in which you make gulliable persons in your image, and then send cruel peoples to take advantage of those gulliable persons...why always good peoples suffer...why not we see those criminals suffering? are they dear to you? are they like you? are you like them? (cruel and asshole?)<br /><br />http://fkgod.blogspot.in/pappu fussshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17351090519612982808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-37163688230700291362009-06-26T12:34:03.214-07:002009-06-26T12:34:03.214-07:00IMHO, Job was a real person. Ezek 14:14,20 refers...IMHO, Job was a real person. Ezek 14:14,20 refers to Job along with Noah and Daniel as persons who lived righteously. James 5:11 refers to Job as steadfast. I don't think inspired Biblical authors would refer to Job as a real person if he were not so. (Of course the scholars might not believe in Daniel and Noah either.)<br /><br />"There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job" - Job 1:1Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-12067527293327786402009-06-26T11:31:35.935-07:002009-06-26T11:31:35.935-07:00There is no non-Biblical evidence. Chapters 1-2, ...There is no non-Biblical evidence. Chapters 1-2, and 42 seem to be a unit. <br /><br />The Elihu dialogue seems to be a unit, chapters 32-37.<br /><br />The whirlwind speeches seem to be a unit, 38-41.<br /><br />The dialogues with the friends seem to be a unit, 3-27, 39-31.<br /><br />And finally, the independent poem on wisdom, ch. 28, appears as a unit.<br /><br /><br />The question? Did the same author write all these units, or were they all composed separately and compiled by a later editor? Scholars come from several different angles on this. I am not sure the questions can be answered with certainty.<br /><br />Nor do I think there is certainy whether or not Job was a historical person. Or, is Job simply a grand poem-parable inspired by God to teach us that things are always so simple and that suffering is real and there aren't always good answers for it.<br /><br />Whether one takes Job to be a historical person and the story of Job to be history, or one takes the book of Job to be poem/poetry to me is not the main issue. Either way, I think Job is inspired word of God and speaks the truth of God. I just think it is harder to hear and understand than in other books of the Bible.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-42728536423618064732009-06-26T11:01:45.243-07:002009-06-26T11:01:45.243-07:00I am a non-theologian and my question will make th...I am a non-theologian and my question will make that obvious. Is there any historical evidence that Job existed? The introductions to the book that I found on the internet describe Job as a dramatic poem rather than actual events.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10370291445835611788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-89404543349981091612009-06-26T07:36:50.318-07:002009-06-26T07:36:50.318-07:00Good observation about the question put to Eve and...Good observation about the question put to Eve and then to God in Job 1; I had not previously made that connection and I need to consider it. <br /><br />Also, excellent point about Job's faithfulness while he was healthy; history has shown that Christianity thrives in systems where Christians are persecuted. Christianity becomes diluted when there is economic prosperity and political dominance by Christians. <br /><br />And, yes, many scholars would affirm the affinity of Job and many of the Psalms. <br /><br />As I said in a previous post, there are no guarantees. Sometimes people go through suffering and are drawn closer to God. Sometimes, during periods of suffering, people flee from God or they blame God. There are no guarantees, so it is important to seek God in God's word and in prayer in all times - good, bad, and everyday/nondescript times.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-32732198582542695542009-06-25T13:27:59.264-07:002009-06-25T13:27:59.264-07:00I have enjoyed this dialogue, and would like to ad...I have enjoyed this dialogue, and would like to add to it my own humble remarks, coming from a non-theological viewpoint, and as someone who has never studied Job in depth. Therefor coming from a clean slate. Three things came to mind. First, "Does Job fear God for nothing?", made me think of "Did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden?" Sounds like it comes from the same mouth, using the same tactic. <br />Secondly, I was actually blown away by Job's faithfulness. Serving as priest to his children, "just in case they might have sinned unintentionally". Surely don't most of us forget God, when we healthy, wealthy, and not needy in any way. Not even his family seems needy. <br />Third, I was thinking how appropriate it is for Job to be just before Psalms. <br /> I liked David's words "The book of Job is an antidote for the incorrect understanding of the world."Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-41067742782537707432009-06-25T12:33:43.971-07:002009-06-25T12:33:43.971-07:00AMEN, brother - the more I read, the more I realiz...AMEN, brother - the more I read, the more I realize how much I don't know, and may never know! I am grateful for the dialogue and grateful for dialogue with people who love scripture and read scripture. Keep up the good work and we'll keep chasing this stuff. Most likey, the Holy Spirit will teach us much.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-68742116484460705862009-06-25T12:17:49.876-07:002009-06-25T12:17:49.876-07:00Just my opinion, I don't know everything. :)Just my opinion, I don't know everything. <b>:)</b>Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-67271121886612314102009-06-25T10:29:48.745-07:002009-06-25T10:29:48.745-07:00I would simply add that in my original post, I sai...I would simply add that in my original post, I said I believe that the Satan of the book of Job is malevolent and an enemy of humankind and does not have humanity's best interest at heart.<br /><br />As for Jesus, I meant he spoke against a backdrop of rabbinic assumption and rabbinic learning. In order for him to be 100% human during his days on earth, I think he forfeited, temporarily, his omniscience. He knew what the father told him. That's why he says he didn't know the time of the end (Mark 13:32). That is clearly evidence that there were things Jesus did not know. <br /><br />I believe Jesus was God and is God. But, to be 100% human (the incarnation) he limited his divinity, including his divine perspective. I think Jesus' vast knowledge points to his superiority of wisdom and learning.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-10109791113741519442009-06-25T09:15:42.487-07:002009-06-25T09:15:42.487-07:00Certainly when Moses wrote Job (using Elihu's ...Certainly when Moses wrote Job (using Elihu's description of the dialogue), he had a different understanding of Satan than we have today. But we have the benefit of Jesus's teaching to instruct us. If Jesus says Satan is something, than it is true of Satan even in the OT (even though OT characters may not have understood it that way). I believe Satan was the accuser than as he is now. He was not a good guy as part of God's divine council policing/prosecuting human behavior as many scholars postulate.<br /><br />You didn't really mean to say Jesus based his comments on rabbinic assumptions did you? Jesus is God and is therefore fully 'in the know' about Satan without having to use some rabbi's evolved position.<br /><br />Satan is off the stage after Ch.2 because he is God's enemy and the scene in heaven is covered in ch.1-2. Satan didn't go to God as Job's enemy, rather he challenged God, as <b>God's</b> enemy, about the nature of God's relationship with humans who worship God. 'You put a hedge about him.' This is what hasatan complained about.<br /><br />That the NT develops Satan more clearly does not mean the OT hasatan was a different creature. <br /><br />Job's three friends attempt to impose hasatan's thesis on him. That is the the righteous get prosperity and the evil get whats coming to them (retribution principle). Job's life was destroyed and therefore he has evil that he needs to repent of. The book of Job is the antidote for this incorrect understanding of the world. Satan's case is shown in Ch.4-27 to be groundless and so there is no reason to mention him after that point in the book.<br /><br />Why did God allow Satan to harm Job? So that, through the book of Job, we learn that the retribution principle is wrong and we can take comfort in that in our own suffering. To point to Christ, who though he was righteous, suffered and died. But more importantly, that he rose again in victory. In eternity, we will have victory through him.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-55737345198136176242009-06-25T08:26:35.251-07:002009-06-25T08:26:35.251-07:00So then, why did God allow Satan to harm Job? A s...So then, why did God allow Satan to harm Job? A straight reading of text allows only one conclusion. God bragged about Job's righteousness. Satan challenged God. God succumbed to Satan's challenge. Job initially blessed God. But then, in his dialogues, Job challenged God to a court hearing and declared that if he could get a fair trial, he would have victory. If Satan is the enemy in Job, why does he go off stage after chapter 2? Why, from that point on, is it a contest between Job & God?<br /><br />You make the statement, "if Jesus says something about hasatan in the NT it is also true of hasatan in the OT." Says who? Jesus did not declare that Satan never changes. Jesus did not declare Satan to be the enemy of Adam, of Abraham, of Moses. Jesus operated within a system of rabbinic assumptions which included the assumption that there was an evil being called Satan. That theology of evil developed after the exile, not before. <br /><br />Just because we believe something today, does not mean was normative in the theology of the community of faith in Abraham's day, or Moses' day, or David's day. Theology evolves. And it has in the case of beliefs about Satan.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-24100974270629560702009-06-25T07:55:55.056-07:002009-06-25T07:55:55.056-07:00I don't know how hasatan can be viewed as anyt...I don't know how hasatan can be viewed as anything other than an opponent of God and a slanderer of his creation. You didn't supply arguments in support of your commentator's views so I couldn't address them directly.<br /><br />Other than some commentator's unsubstantiated opinion, what casues you to think hasatan is part of God's divine council?<br /><br />Scripture is the best commentary on scripture and if Jesus says something about hasatan in the NT it is also true of hasatan in the OT. (In NT greek hasatan is transliterated as Satanas).<br /><br />Names mean things in the OT. I don't know why you don't want to let Satan be his name (that means 'the adversary'). Who other than Satan is the accuser of the faithfull?<br /><br />How can I take a scholar seriously if he states that God fell prey to Satan and lost control of what happened to Job? I'm not against scholars so much as I'm against the heresies that they fill their commentaries with.<br /><br />DavidDavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6246130540159128150.post-4512441146068992922009-06-25T07:19:16.683-07:002009-06-25T07:19:16.683-07:00That is actually not what 'hasatan' means....That is actually not what 'hasatan' means. 'Ha' is an article, which means 'the.' 'Satan' is a word that means accuser or adversary. Your comment does not account for the change in the way Satan is understood from Job to Zechariah 3 to the days of Jesus. In Jesus' day, Satan is an evil being opposed to humanity and opposed to God's purposes. It's not the same in Job. In Job, the adversary is a part of God's divine council. There is no indication that 'ha-satan' is an enemy of God. <br /><br />Also, your comment doesn't really refute any of the views put out by the scholars I quoted. It seems you are taking something that evolved over maybe 1000 years of interpretation and trying to boil it down to something simple. It isn't that simple.Rob_Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13421615246634432546noreply@blogger.com